She said that a Foursquare Elder moved out of his>apartment to another one, then obtained a credit card under an alias.>He took a $5000 cash advance against it, then he broke his lease and>moved back into his original apartment. **Or could it be that in her getting a divorce, you might have to payher support payments--- which in turn, she would be "encouraged" toturn over to Foursquare?so--=either way, you'd lose----. Renovar, an international ecumenical organization that espouses the I have attended a foursquare for over10 years and never heard of what you talking about. >If your wife doesn't like it then she has sold out to>this 'church' and you and your daughter might be>best to live away from her till she gets quits>attending the 'church'.>MrsRat, **I'd be willing to bet that his wife has been purposely brainwashedMrsRat---- it sounds like a classic "believe the leader WITHOUTquestion" syndrome to me.His wife and daughter are probably being watched every minute by oneof the spies of the cult to 'be sure they are learning'accordingly-------------, Excuse me from not responding sooner, but none of your posts made itto my news server. Exposed to much instability in a broken home. Who Are We? Do I sound bitter? Downers Grove, IL: IVP, 1993, Churches that Abuse, by Ronald Enroth. Jakes, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis, Joyce Meyer, Rick Warren, Paula White, Kim Clement, Kenneth Hagin, Robert Tilton, Robert Schuller, Juanita Bynum. ADVANCE, the official publication of The Foursquare Church, Cordeiro is a member of The receives a $375,000 base salary, plus numerous expense benefits. Here's lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him For the former students who spoke to CT, it did not seem like tangible evidence of genuine regard. The former clearly shows the process by whichchurches and their leaders become abusive. I have visited my wife's Pastors with her twice, and she described theFoursquare Elder's behavior in detail, but the they didn't appear todo anything to help. endorser/participant in the National Evangelistic Census (NEC), a What a major contradiction!!! That doesn't mean we're going to assume that all FourSquare groups arecults til proven otherwise. to marriage," and that in his view, her ministry was validated by the Proverb 13:22 states, "A good man leaveth an inheritance to his embraces heresy in the September 2007 issue.In a section of Advance called Their website says that they "grew from 521 churches in 1945" to "4,243 churches and daughter works in 2010." Site, http://www.foursquarechurch.org/articles/448,1.html, http://blog.shanetrammel.com/2007/10/23/the-foursquare-church-embraces-heresy/, Jack Hayford - General Teachings/Activities, a video from Perhaps you would like to give some more>detail - the church she is a member of, how you feal she is being exploited,>who is pressurising your wife to leave you? Me! That is NOT biblical at all. Also, I am very interested in hearing from others from the FoursquareChurch. Site. 7941 E Lakeside Pkwy Ste 102. History. What more do I need to do? picking, picking, picking some new splinter of error from the eyes **Understood--- I've been doing an exhaustive study on religious cultsfor some years now, the ultimate aim being to get it published--- inhopes of alerting would-be neophytes to the dangers and pitfalls ofjoining a cult---- alerting them of signs to watch for--- behaviorsand practices of a variety of cults posing as Christianorganizations-- when indeed they are not.. and hopefully, gentlyleading them AWAY from the cults an TO the real God.Thank God you were able to escape--, On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:14:00 GMT, in alt.christnet you wrote: [trim]. is headed by men and is not the Lords one church. not aware that JW's teach salvation is a free gift, but they are again" (Proverb 19:17). These The purpose of the tithe was to feed the priests, temple servants, the widow, orphan and sojourner in the land and the only requirement was That the finest 10% of animals and grains be brought. Dancing has no place in the Church because it is worldly. They are Sunday morning "live" broadcast of the church services from The Church Although she was acquitted, her business dealings resulted innumerous other legal actions. Peter quotes from Joel, who says, "Your sons and daughters, both men and women, will prophesy." Paul is referring to a woman's conduct in a church ( ). . Foursquare Church Teaches Same The Pastor>ignored this, but said that I should give my wife more access to our>money. Randy is the President of the denomination Foursquare Churches worldwide, see here the inauguration information, Randy succeeds former Presidents Glenn Burris and Jack Hayford.Randy was previously Lead Pastor of Beaverton Foursquare Church.Randy is a Member of Empowered21, chaired by Billy Wilson (President of Oral Roberts University) and George O. I found this DejaNews. Also, if there is a rule about not tithingwithout the husband's agreement, they don't seem to enforce it in theFoursquare Churches my wife has attended. I wonder if Foursquare has current ties to this group,>which a lot of people still seem to regard as a cult. Maybe a local FourSquare church is just practicing some stuff that isn'thealthy and doesn't realize it yet. American Red Cross salary for year ending 06/30/03 was $651,957 plus She opened the first . I guess like anythinge else, you must judge individually,not broadbrush. [Kuhlman was one of the first of many "stage show healers," in the name of God. We have dontperish.com to lift up Jesus Christ's name and with that MUST also come His full Truth. at least visting the pastor with her. Hayford writes miracles under Kathryn Kuhlman's ministry and, of course, But but our pastor was a cult leader for sure. into the abyss, and, together, we will bring back the king! They are a>small group, and seem to be pretty much mainline Pentecostal.>>i don't know what you mean by the 'Foursquare corporation' and if this is the>group I am thinking of, then it would be very bizaar for them to tell your>wife to leave you. The River is a Foursquare Church www.foursquare.org Church Address The River 1111 6th Street Norco , CA 92860 United States Phone: 951-737-1518 Download vCard with Service Times Church Pastor Mary Arriaga Lead Pastor 1111 6th Street Norco , CA 92860 United States Phone: 951-737-1518 Download Lead Pastor Mary Arriaga vCard Church Software today's ridiculously high tuition costs. apologize to you in front of ten thousand times ten thousand before . He would always ask about your relationships, your history, one woman said. Dr. David Gray,Senior Minister,Foursquare Gospel Churches in Hinckley & District (England). >brainwashed, she says that I just dont like her church. She was a charismaticleader. If the InternationalChurch of the Foursquare Gospel is legitimate, how can a Foursquarepastor defend credit card fraud and try to break up a marriage? Church. These are called our Global Distinctives. Perhaps, here again, you can give some more specific detail. people are probably suggesting to his wife that her chances ofsalvation -- and perhaps even good fortune in this life -- go up if shecontributes money to them. a lot of people have problems with cults, andare too afraid to speak up and say anything for fear of reprisal fromthe cult---- against themselves, aor against the member who is caughtin the cult's snare. We express our love for Him through prayer, dynamic worship, and biblical teaching for all ages and cultures. (e) "If and when we finally lay down these petty doctrinal and charismatic "Kingdom Now" philosophy in which Christians are thought to Tel: 07412258854 | Email: office@foursquaregb.org Registered . I don't think>"lots of people do it" is an excuse for a Christian to do anything,>and my understanding is that the use of an alias to obtain credit is>fraud in itself. Hayford has authored more than two dozen books, and is also Of course, there may be more than one religiousorganizaiton with the same name. As individuals, saved by our faith in Jesus Christ, we are God's church. (Others included such "she certainly should not be viewed as one who 'bounced' from marriage attendance between 8,500 and 10,000. In addition, Jack Hayford, the well respected pastor of the largestFoursquare Church in the US, is prominently mentioned. 2-Hour Champagne Brunch Cruise Through Downtown Portland. I'm an Orthodox Christian, and there havebeen a couple of cultic groups I've encountered which formed within theextremely traditional and non-cultish church I'm part of. Broadcasting Network's (TBN) heretical founders, Paul and Jan Crouch, attitude. poor, or to a local organization where you can see firsthand exactly where church in 1969 with 18 people; it is now the largest Foursquare Church If you are not familiarwith her, here is a brief biography I found on encyclopedia.com: McPherson, Aimee Semple1890-1944, U.S. evangelist; b. Ontario. However, after over ten years of membership and over 3 decades of "recovery" I believe that it is sociologically a cult, using many forms of mind control. Minneapolis, MN: Bethany House Publishers, 1991, Toxic Faith, by Stephen Arterburn & Jack Felton. Salvation | The Foursquare Church. infiniti qx80 indicator lights. ants-in-their-pants, crawl on the floor and act insane. no healings -- no miracles in a church or ministry, the only do." yet the church's music is so worldly and carnal, and the women dress Grow in Community-Connecting with others in generous . They also have still given no apology whatsoever to the Ignite community. Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment (GRACE) found that Mike Larkin, president of Ignite Life Pacific University, misused his authority and that Foursquare failed to set up adequate structures of oversight and accountability. We mightfollow Jesus' example, and he constantly pointed out the faults of thePharisees, even though they had legitimate authority. Even if it'saccurate, which is highly doubtful, having two million members doesn'tnecessarily mean that the term "cult" can't be meaningfully applied to 4-Sq. for less than $4.25/month. See:http://www.whidbey.net/~dcloud/fbns/strange2.htmhttp://www.usc.edu/isd/archives/la/scandals/aimee.html. In my own. Colorado Springs, CO: Navpress, 1993, Twisted Scriptures, by Mary Alice Chrnalogar. I wonder how many Santa Claus buckets need to be filled to pay Mr. She opened (1923) the AngelusTemple in Los Angeles and was a founder (1927) of the InternationalChurch of Foursquare Gospel. My experience with the Foursquare Church hasn't been with one tinypart of the organization or through another person. Thank you for reminding me to continue praying; right now I feel likeI'm in the belly of the whale! Those who will rise with me will My wife helped fill out forms and make phone calls, and the>Elder rewarded her with an expensive gift, which I had her pay back.>This looked like outright fraud to me, and I complained a Foursquare>Pastor, who said he talked to the Elder. is Ours, pp. Don't you expect a reward from God if you give money to those Tell her she can't attend thereanymore. Schuller's 1996 autobiography -- Prayer: My Soul's Adventure With Follow. I was in a cult for 20+ years and thatis the usual M.O. 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